Per als que llegiu la llengua anglesa, aquí teniu una entrevista amb en Leonard Orr feta aquest any en el seu viatge a la India. Poc després del taller que va fer a Barcelona, i que us vaig anunciar aquí fa pocs dies, en Leonard se’n va anar a l’India amb la Heike Strombach a la seva trobada anual amb en Haidakhan Babaji. Per la xarxa, des de l’India, m’ha arribat aquesta entrevista de la revista Life Positive. Us la recomano molt, doncs el concepte d’immortalitat física tal com l’enfoca en Leonard Orr és absolutament desconcertant i trenca amb totes les creences amb les que hem sigut formats la majoria de nosaltres.
Meet Leonard D Orr, founder of Rebirthing Breathwork, a form of breathing which he is
convinced will help you achieve immortality, says
eonard D. Orr, 76, is better known
as the founder of Rebirthing
Breathwork, a form of continuous
and conscious breathing that is
said to heal our birth traumas and
launch us into a happy and healthy life. Even
more interestingly, Rebirthing Breathwork
also holds the possibility of helping us achieve
physical immortality. Despite being a land of
immortal yogis, India has not evinced much
interest in the possibility of living forever,
unlike the West, which has had an enduring
love affair with the concept. Leonard Orr, it
turns out, has had a lifelong fascination for
the subject and his exploration in Breathwork
soon gave him some breakthroughs in the area. Despite
being 76, he does not look his age, so it appears that
death may be weakening its grasp over him.
In the country for his ‘Babaji Trip’, Orr had just
returned to Delhi from his 10-day long training retreat
in Chandigarh. Dressed in a casual green kurta and rust
pants, he looked happy and fulfilled.
The pioneer of the concept of physical immortality in
the Western world, Orr came up with the rebirthing-
breathwork technique following his own experiences
of birth memory flashes while in a bathtub. By his own
calculation, about ten million people have benefitted
from his technique. It has also led to the foundation of
the Theta House, the first rebirthing centre in world.
Orr’s India connection arises from his discipleship of
Haidakhan Babaji who he visited several times
until the latter’s death in 1984. Although Haidakhan
is often confused with Mahavtar Babaji, the immortal
yogi of Paramahansa Yogananda fame, the two
appear to be different, although there is little clarity
on the subject.
Following is an excerpt from a long conversation
with Orr, ranging from physical immortality to his
You have been a researcher and seeker of
physical immortality since decades. How
do you describe this term?
Physical immortality is nothing but mastery of life,
or yoga of everlasting life. It involves mastery of
body or the physical universe. Today, this is the
missing element in most metaphysical systems.
This concept of mastery is very well presented in
the philosophy of Baba Gorakhnath. Just going into
the transcendental state during meditation is not
enough. We must be in that state throughout our
lives. This is the realistic meaning of the word
Why would people want to achieve physical
immortality, trapped in the same boring life
and body? Why wouldn’t they want to expe
rience this world in various different lives
as different forms of creation?
The reason people are bored and feel trapped is
because that is exactly how they felt in their previ
ous life – bored and trapped. Death and rebirth didn’t
change anything. The problem is the mind, not eternal
life or death.
How would you describe the yoga of everlasting life?
It is simply the awareness of the energy body. This
awareness has to become a part of one’s five senses in
order to be in yoga. The next step is to cleanse the
energy body through spiritual purification. And lastly,
we need to practise spiritual communication to com
plete the cycle. Spiritual enlightenment, spiritual purification
and spiritual communication together lead to
spiritual development. Also, we need to make sure that
we build high quality relationships with people who
are doing enough spiritual purification, so as to con
-serve our energy.
How can one practise spiritual purification?
By doing earth, air, water and fire exercises. These
exercises help in cleansing the accumulations of death
cycle, pre-natal conditioning, birth trauma, and death
urge. Some of the immortals took as long as 300 years
to get rid of their conditionings and accumulations.
One needs to do enough spiritual purification to
achieve perfect existence, perfect consciousness and
perfect bliss – one’s full divine potential. I have been
following this cleansing regimen for 50 years.
I bathe twice a day before sunrise and sunset,
exercise prana yoga, fast once a week and
sleep with a fire burning in the fireplace.
These, according to me, are disciplines of
pleasure. They teach us self-mastery. There is
prana in water, air, food and fire. For example,
our relationship with food becomes more
conscious if we fast one whole day a week. I
feel much more refreshed on waking up in a
room with a fire crackling in the fireplace.
What do you mean when you say that
people have a death urge?
The death urge is a psychic entity that is
composed of your entire life thoughts, that of
helplessness, hopelessness, discouragement
and depression. Thoughts that negate our
fundamental divine nature are part of the
death urge. We inherit a whole complex of
these thoughts and also our family tradition.
It means that most people are likely to die at
the same age and with the same symptoms as
that of their parent of the same sex. All these
things bog down a person’s life urge and create
a complex of inner misery that prevents
him from feeling his full divine potential.
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